My Eternal “Wish”: Next Rebirth as a SC/ST/OBC in India

First of all I wish to make clear that, as a person, I am indifferent to the caste system we have in India and i believe in equality of the entire humanity. Honestly, I don’t support the idea of superiority and inferiority among religions, castes and creed. I don’t think that SC/ST/OBC are in any way lesser than others. They are good humans with an equal potential just like anyone else. They have equal chances for success and have a high respect for, in my mind. This post is to vent my agony and anger ONLY ON the current reservation based educational system in India and I have tried to expose my views on the whole “Reservation based on Caste” issue that has been lingering around, ever since I can imagine. Any views mentioned in this post here are purely personal and I have tried to be as objective as possible in voicing my opinions. I sincerely apologize if this causes any kind of ill-feelings in your mind.Β  Though there might be many advantages arising due to the reservation system, my intention in this post is to throw some light on my the negative sides of the reservations (which many of you might already be knowing) from my perspective. Hence you should expect this post to be purely critical to the system.

The point what i want to make clear is: With the kind of inequalities that is rampant in our society, there should be reservation for certain section of people, but caste should never be the criterion. (Thanks Anoop)

Before i start the post, I would like to summarize some “random numbers” that i was able to get from Central Counselling Board – Institute Wise Allotment List 2008. Let me give you the first and last ranks, with their quotas in some of the premier institutes in India (excluding IITs as I don’t have the statistics with me and IIIT Hyderabad as there is NO reservation whatsoever in the admissions to that university).

University,
Branch

First AIR
Admitted
(Quota)

Last AIR
Admitted
(Quota)

Last AIR
Admitted (OP)

NIT Trichy, ECE 219 (OP) 40808 (ST) 3807
NIT Trichy, CSE 745 (OP) 43063 (ST) 7158
NIT Surathkal, ECE 79 (OP)
44254 (ST) 4461
NIT Surathkal, CSE 756 (OP) 41886 (ST) 6848
NIT Warangal, ECE 322 (OP) 49985 (ST)
2169
NIT Warangal, CSE 159 (OP) 49015 (ST) 2854
NIT Calicut,ECE 373 (OP) 48814 (ST) 6147
NIT Calicut,CSE 2223 (OP) 43441(SC) 10134

For the uninformed international readers of my blog, AIR – All India Rank in All India Engineering Entrance Examination 2008; ECE – Electronics and Communications Engineering; CSE – Computer Science and Engineering; OP – Open Merit Admissions (100% based on AIR); SC– Scheduled Caste; ST – Scheduled Tribe; OBC – Other Backward Castes. NIT – National Institute of Technologies are the best institutes in India after IITs and IIIT Hyderabad. ECE and CSE are two of the most sought after fields of study in the engineering department for us. Hence for making the table short and sweet, I have not considered all but two of the many fields of study.

If you observe the table, especially the last two columns you can see what i am talking about. The last column stands for the rank of the student who got into that particular university/branch purely based on his rank (read hard work and a li’l bit of luck). The second last column stands for the rank of the student admitted last into the corresponding university/branch based much more on his caste than his efforts.

You can observe the ridiculous pattern. For example, lets take the case of NIT Warangal ECE (the worst case scenario among all the cases). Among the regular students, the last rank admitted in OP is 2169. It means that any student whose rank was 2170 or above (I can safely say that an All India Rank (AIR) <10000)is pretty good given that about half a million students write the same centralized exam) was not in a position to get into this university, branch.Β  In the place where none of the relatively more intelligent students above ranks 2170 – 10000 got into the college (and i am sure that many of them would have applied for it, unsuccessfully) when another student (with due respect to his intelligence) with rank 49 985 got into the SAME coveted seat. So its like this, there are two students for the seat, one with AIR = 2170 and other with AIR 49 985. When both of them applied to the same seat, the latter got in (thanks to his caste) whereas spite of being a much more deserving student, the former failed to get it (due to his “misfortune” in not being in the “elite” SC/ST/OBC). All his considerable hard work he had put in over the last two years of study, could not secure him his desired seat where as someone who rank is 20 times lower, was able to get it, JUST ON ACCOUNT OF HIS “LOW” caste. (Please read “” as sarcasms).

India has about 50% seats in ALL THE National Level, Government Supported Institutes (Including IITs). It means that if you are born in the privileged group of SC/ST/OBC. Oh what a life it would be.. You dont have to study as much as the unprivileged OP students, you dont have to work that hard. Still with much minimal efforts in comparison, you can still get into any decent seat you would like to get into, no matter how ridiculous your rank is.Β  Due to the important of the sensitive issue on Caste based reservation System in India, Wikipedia has dedicated some considerable space for a long article which can be found here. Interested may follow the link to read more on the so called “pros and cons”.

The quality of the output from all the premier institutes in India has been rocketing downwards due to this system. You can refer to what i am saying based on the Job offers a majority of the students get.

Lemme put in my two cents at this point, WHY.. i mean WHY cant they put all these reservations and of the likes in Elementary and Middle schools. I dont oppose that since there are millions of schools in India, the case of a deserving student not getting education can be ruled out. Let all indians, regardless of their caste study together, and be in a position where they can compete with each other in the All India Entrance Examinations. Let them get the rank they deserve in that exam, and get into their dream seats with no differentiation between their ethnic background. Instead, the government targets the BEST UNIVERSTIES india to put these students in and many of them fail to cope up due to unstable foundation in their schooling.

To top it all, now that the student reservation has been a “unprecedented success”, Mr. Arjun Singh had a whim to “try out” 50% faculty reservation in IITs. Wow!! Thats an icing on the already “delicious” cake which he has made. When i say he, I dont mean to target Mr. Arjun Singh alone. I mean the entire force behind this venture of “upliftment of Indians”.

If only i was born into this “privileged section” of the society and i mean the elite group of SC/ST/OBC, my life would have been much easier, thanks to the Indian Government.. Due to the reasons stated above ,its my “wish” that I be born into that section of society where dreams come true as easily as making water from ice.

But alas!!!! I can only wish….. right?

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34 Responses

  1. I agree with your opinion.but It ll take time when everyone will shout for this.Govt has to Understand the situation how a common man is strugling for getting a seat,but SC/ST/OBC are getting the seats without any labour.

    Thnx

  2. @ Rudra : You know.. India has been “developing” and all the top officials in politics are trying their best to keep it that way i guess.. I can only dream of a time when we become a Developed Nation in a true sense

  3. http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/may/23inter1.htm?zcc=rl

    Read that interview .. Interesting one πŸ™‚

  4. Note: I, Kiran edited the comment below to modify an obscene word. Everything else has been kept as was posted by Navin

    hey buddy
    please dont think like this
    for getting into the IITs its not that you dont have to study and all
    please dont write all these f****ng stuffs on a blog
    it will hamper the mora of the general students

    and for your kind information buddy
    in the rest 50 percentage many OBC studnets are admiteed without any reservation
    so you do only one thing accept that the generals are good for nothong ones and and write few more blogs for us to comment

    i am very happy when i see the general students helpless

  5. @ Halley: Thanks for the link.

    I believe that NONE OF THE POINTS in my post contradict with his views. Even he stressed on better schooling with the cream of the society SC/ST being excluded from the so called reservations. I TOTALLY agree. But my point still was, why put reservations in the so called premier institutes where the students who get in lack corresponding groundwork to make use of the opportunity. I can rightfully say that because if they did have the groundwork, the would not have needed to take shelter under the reservation based seat umbrella.

    What say?

  6. @ Navin Prakash: First and foremost, I condemn your attitude especially the profanity and your statement “i am very happy when i see the general students helpless”. I think you should be able to do better.

    And.. I checked the validity of your point “in the rest 50 percentage many OBC students are admitted without any reservation” in two colleges NIT Trichi ECE and NIT Warangal CSE and found that what you said was not true. Of course i picked the colleges by random. Lemme know if i am wrong, in any
    statistics.

    Suppose i am wrong in the point above and as you said OBCs get in without reservations. Here is my response: I support everyone (no matter what caste they are from) get in WITHOUT reservations. They deserve the seat since they did their homework. If any OBC (as you say) get in without reservations, HATS OFF TO THEM.. I strongly support such ppl. But someone with 49 000 rank (irrespective of his caste) getting into a seat which a 3000 rank (irrespective of his caste) did not get in, is pitiable.. I mean someone = anyone from OP/SC/ST/OBC/blah/blah. I believe that your point “Be eligible to get in no matter what your caste is” is what i dream of too! Honest!

    Again.. I did not mean that its really easy to get into IIT, all that i meant was that if you have the chance for a reservation seat, then there is a high chance that you wont study as hard as a student who has to depend on his studies 100% for getting in. And alas.. when such a student doesnt get in thanks to someone else who had to highly depend on reservation, its just not fair…

    Check my previous comment as well to know my intentions by this post and in future, a check on obscenities would be welcomed.

  7. Don’t worry too much about this. This might not create maximum damage. Suppose if there are 100 seats in IIT-K, 20 out of them will be reserved. I guess out of every 100 at least 15 could be OBC students. Contrary to general opinion, there are many OBCs in India. They will now be considered under the reservation category rather than the general. It won’t cause maximum damage. Of course, it may help them to get a better branch. Anyway people availing reservations are equivalent to handicapped. There is no doubt about that. Any self-respecting person wouldn’t accept reservation.

  8. Hey, i agree with all the stuff you said. i got admitted to Btech in CSE at NIT Calicut in OP category.
    Plus, it was dis heartening to see that many guys sans hard work got into it; because they belong to a (so called)”backward caste”.
    And a lot of OBCs are sons/daughters of NRIs(esp Gulf), who amidst their riches claim that they are backward.

    Is “Backward Caste” mightier than Merit ?? !
    Hats off to your article.

  9. and, also i didnt get a seat of my choice in any IITs bcos of these dammn resrvations !!

  10. @ Dilip Menon: But still … I am not sure but.. if OBCs can go into OP category as well (according to navin’s comment above), then they might very well go there as OP (without resorting to reservations) and still 20 seats are empty under reservation category rt ?

  11. @ Arjun: Thanks for your views pal.. I am even more disgusted at the so called “backward ppl” who SHOULD NOT resort to reservation (like NRIs..) still begging for reservations inspite of having much money money and luxuries than me or you.. Due to such ppl, the motivation for hard work surely gets reduced….

    You might want to check the link Kalyan posted in his comment: Its from a person WHO supported reservation and I TOTALLY AGREE WITH HIM.. Check it out you will know why..

    I am sorry to hear that you lost your IIT seat due to the reservations.. I truly empathize.. I hope that the next generations and the succeeding generations of intelligent students (EVERY ONE irrespective of caste differences) would be able to realize their potential and not be afraid of senseless things like reservations.. Prayers!!

  12. What i think is that the way reservation is being implemented is bad. It has more politics and less concern for the backward classes. Reservation should be there as NOT ALL OBC/SC/ST are as resourceful as we are of OP category. They have the history of opperession so it is not true that ALL indian citizens have the same opputunities. For that matter not all OBCs can afford expensive coaching classes so they deserve some special treatment.

  13. Nice work overall, but I think you could have covered more ground on the issue. I think the article is a little unidimensional in that it doesn’t cover many other aspects which are, in my opinion, as relevant, if not more, as what you have explored : for instance, what bearing does reservations have on the output – the doctors, engineers, lawyers, managers etc that we churn out? Why are reservations such a rising phenomenon? Realistically speaking, is it possible to have an India without reservations? What about those people who reservation actually benefits? (And there are quite a few of those) Its all very fine to say elementary education this, that and the other, but what about now? In the short term? How will you ensure equal opportunity for all without reservation?

    Reservations in general have been talked about for long enough, and I think most people know the pros and cons and the history etc. What we need is solutions that are politically and practically feasible.

    But the statistics on the NITs were interesting… thanks for that.

  14. I agree completely with Kiran. But then, as Wooster pointed out, reservation is not something that can be fully done away with. With the kind of inequalities that is rampant in our society, there should be reservation for certain section of people, but caste should never be the criterion. Apex court verdict to rule out the creamy layer should be favorable in this regard. ( With due respect to his professional eminence , Justice K G Balakrishnan did have his share of the reservation system. Some say he would not have risen to his current position, had he hailed from the so-called upper caste. )

    As Kiran suggested, providing reservations and other considerations for the less privileged in schools and junior college makes a lot of sense. The question is whether such a system will ever be feasible in our country where the so-called minority sections constitute chunk of the vote bank.

  15. First of all thanks that u have also mentioned the link to ur post bcos everytime I have to see ur orkut to get the link to it……:) This post reflects the educational system in India..Nice post which highlights the drawbacks in the present educational system,,Keep blogging…

  16. @ Richeek: I totally agree with you .. That’s my point too.. Reservation should be there.. but not exactly caste based.. There should be some other criteria and also it should be implemented earlier in a student’s life.. not in unis..

  17. @ Arun Balakrishnan (Wooster): Thanks for your comments. I agree I was uni dimensional, but I have clearly mentioned that in the beginning of my post that i am just gonna highlight some negative issues which many of you might already be knowing. And yes .. About your array of questions, I understand that my discussion is not complete.. I did not really have time to answer all the points.. But i hope I can get some time later to fill them in..

    And I agree that reservations should be there.. Not the way its currently implemented. Thats all ..

  18. @ Anoop Mohan: Thanks for your input da.. I incorporated your comment into my post.. One line of it.. If you see the link Mr. Hally had posted here in his comment, you will know that if there is sound schooling.. They lots of problems can be solved…

    I strongly recommend that link to you ..

  19. @ Sushma: Thank you su.. But i guess my mission is not complete.. Now i need to do another analysis on the points arun and anoop had mentioned as well.. Can you help me with your GRE english for another article?? πŸ˜›

  20. MUSLIMS REPRESENTED BY JINNAH GOT THEIR SHARE FROM THE UNDIVIDED BRITISH INDIA AND FORMED REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN.
    DR.AMBEDKAR WHO FOUGHT FOR MILLIONS OF INDIAN DALIT AND BACKWARD CASTE GOT THE “COMMUNAL AWARD’ FROM THE BRITISH TO ENSURE THE RIGHTS AND OVER ALL DEVELOPMENTS OF THE MILLIONS OF INDIAN DALITS [ SCST ].
    THE INDIAN BRAHMANICAL LOBY USED MAHATMA GANDHI AS AN INSTRUMENT AND MADE HIM TO HUNGER STRICK UNTILL DEATH FOR WITHDRAWING THE FREEDOM RIGHTS GIVEN TO DR AMBEDKAR’S PEOPLE -THE SCST.
    SMELLING MAHATMAGANDHI’S DEATH AT THE HANDS OF THE BRAMANICAL PEOPLE DR AMBEDKAR HANDED OVER THE ISSUE OF ‘COMMUNAL AWARD’TO HIS FUTURE PEOPLE TO CLAIM AND HE BECAME READY FOR THE POONA PACT WHICH WAS SOLELY A BRAHMANICAL DRAFT TO ENSLAVE THE ENTIRE MASS OF SCST.
    THE PLEASUER OF THE BRAHAMANICAL LOBY IN MAKING THE ENTIRE MASS OF SCST AS SLAVES TOOK THE SHAPE OF RESERVATION-A CONCESSION GIVEN TO SLAVES .
    .SCSTs ARE 27% IN THE INDIAN POPULATION.THAT MEANS THEY ARE THE OWNERS OF 27 % OF INDIA.THEY ARE THE OWNERS AND MASTERS OF INDIA .
    27%OF EVERY THING IN INDIA BELONGS TO THEM.
    THE BRAHAMANICAL LOBY IS ONLY THE CUSTODIAN OF SCSTs SHARE AS IF THE SCST POPULATION IS STILL IN THEIR MINORITY SHIP
    HOW LONG THE BRAHMANICAL PEOPLE KEEP SCST ENSLAVED GIVING THIS CONCESSION OF RESERVATION -THE SLAVE’S RIGHT. ANYBODY WHO THINK AGAIST SCST SHOULD REMEMBER THE TRUTHS.
    CERTAINLY YOU AND YOUR RIGHT THINKING FRIENDS SHOULD TAKE REBIRTH AS SCST SO THAT WE CAN FIGHT AND GET OUR DUE SHARE IN INDIA AND LIVE AS AT PAR CITYZENS OFTHE COUNTRY.YOU ARE VERY GREATE !!

  21. @ Shanmukh: Thank you for your fact filled comment. While I understand your emotions, I must make one clear. I don’t hail from a Branhmin or any other so called “aristocrat” Family. I am yet another middle class Indian. The only purpose of thei post was not to create a virtual superiority between people of india, rather, it was just an attempt to voice my protest against some of the “non beneficial for EVERY INDIAN” policies. And also, do understand that I don’t support any levels of preferential treatment based on caste or community.

    You tell me, forget SC ST OBC OP. Lets take a human being (an individual). Assume that he is poor at studies (he just not inclined to). Now … Such a student, when he gets into IIT or NIT, do tell me how he is gonna survive. He might get in due to quota or something of the likes. He should join a college appropriate for his academic proficiency so that he can succed. Instead, if he opts for such demanding institutes, the chances are the he would fail miserably bringing pain to himself and his family. So why do we need such a reservation system in university level. As I proposed, dont you think its better to have a system where EVERY INDIAN is given his chance to do good schooling and then get into GOOD UNIVERSITIES with merit as the 100% criteria, no matter which section of the society they are from.

  22. don’t worry my friend.
    i am little agree with you . but think that with the support of reservation how long someone can survive or struggles in this competitive world.talent always counts in everyone’s work.and a time will come when all SC/ST/OBCs will return all the supports give by the governments.

  23. @ chatservices: I agree.. but in the so called “test periods” the chances of some deserving candidates would still have to be sacrificed.. if we wait that is …

  24. one-sided , very highly one-sided …

    I am against reservations and the ensung chaos myself …

    but your analysis on the social policy could have been a little more mature by deriving appropriate logic instead of mere childish ranting ….

    Please ensure that next time ..nwz its a good post as far as reality is concerned … please work on it and hope to see u write a better post next time πŸ™‚

    cheers

  25. @ baba : Did you even read my post ?? I had made my intentions clear that this post is gonna show ONLY the negative sides of reservations and had underlined it as well. So what else did you expect? It is definitely ONE SIDED…

    And you called it childish ranting.. If you had only read the comments of ppl before (including those AGAINST my views), I guess you can understand how many adults read my post and considered it childish.. Honestly, though i dont know them personally, i dont think that they are 5 years old.. Now if you want to christen them “immature” as well …..

    but if you must know .. i always appreciate your criticisms ..

    cheers

  26. It is the rationale that matters mate !!

    It doesn’t pertain to what the comments are ..they seem fine … I am talking about your post … it is so much like a complaint than having a systematic flow about it …

    But sounding aggressive (seems to me) you are giving cause for the pro-reservationists to act in a similar light 😦

    BTW rough statistics of this post’s comments :

    6 people (irrespective of for or against) think it is uni-dimnesional (implying directly or indirectly) and more a narrow-outlook without any REAL analysis …..

    2 of them definitely think GOD wrote this post … πŸ˜‰

    the rest are neutral ……

    …. better post next time … cant u say a nice lil “yes” KT ? πŸ˜›

  27. Reservations without any extra efforts or special talent sucks big time!! πŸ™‚

  28. @ baba : was i a li’l bit aggressive ?? affirmative.. The thing about aggression is that you can do it in two ways.. with the sword or with the pen, and i chose the latter. I was ccontinually expecting and welcoming aggressions on me and my views as well (as you can see from navin’s comment).. My target thru the post was the just give the ppl a piece of my mind outright and receive their thoughts and impressions. And i DID NOT want to be neutral in this issue since I am strongly against the reservation issue.

    And about the “REAL” analysis question: I wanted to make a point (against reservation) and i think i was able to make some understand that and i am sure I did. I was not targeting at a neutral extensive analysis as a pro and con evaluation, but intended to express my anger on how out motherland is going down and down, and I understand taht even more now that i am looking at out country from outside and i guess living in Seoul can give you some valuable comparisons.

    So i hope that you realize that my intention was to put forward canny impressions from my mind against reservation and hence the sarcasm even in the title.. “wish”

  29. @ Abhishek : You are right .. I truly believe the same.. Reservations or no reservations, talent should be appreciated always.

  30. Reservation is the best solution for cleaning up the after-effects of caste. We can’t forget the past.

  31. hmmm..
    i really appreciate ur blog kiran….bt let me tell u though these reserved candis who got through r also talented ..its nt lyk dat India is suffering a lot due to reservation,rather it has pushed forwarded a section of people……..if der wouldn’t have reservation…only a mere section of dem could have make it to top.widout reservation present india would have the pre-independence situation..(u think)..socially…..let me tell u a fact…an IITB reseved category student manged to get institute medal who got thru reservation..an adivasi girl in Orissa secured 1st rank in Op category in med entrance……..
    and due to this resevation facility many sc/st students have the opportunity of exposing to a good coll or insti…they mayn;’t perform best…bt yes they can survive..without resevation the social situation would have contiued…with very few sc/st students making it ..larger section remaining the poor and backward as before…let me tell u another fact..
    greater portion of sc/st students frm elite instis lyk AIMMS or IITs IIMs lyk to be in india itself where as general candis prefer abroad.(may be its decreasing nw)…many of these these students may really help other desreted people..
    bro i’m telling u all these bcoz i hav the experience of it…
    lemme clarify i too a reseved candi nw in one of de IITs…
    i must tell u there r lots of reseved candis here whu got thru resevation,who r performing much better den OP students..
    and de gap is decreasing ……………….
    Brother i agree dat resevation restrict few OP students of benifits…..bt the support it had provided for the upliftment of weaker..u can’t imagine till u hav real experience…
    u knw ,my father used to be beaten up bcoz he ws studing…
    he ws forced to do wrk in childhood for livelihood.,,bt he studied and due to this resevation only he manage dto got a job ……….otherwise i wouldn’t hav writting this blog nw(think practically)…..
    lastly i would say the opressed class whu r exploited for 1000s of yrs hw cud u uplift dem in mere 50-60 yrs …..it may hamper r nation to sumxtent…bt that is nothing if we look at the positive site……..
    and dont worry brother tym will come whn dis resevation will be lifted ……wh the gap betwn OP & Sc/st will be the shortest or zero……………….
    till den try to bear the pain………….
    regards…….

  32. @ Ranjan : I appreciate your viewpoints.. I think you got some valid points there.. but the question we need to ask is: Is reservation a general solution beneficial to the majority ?> I mean .. Of course there are bright students in every section of the society, but if a reserved candidate could get 1st medal as a topper in one of the IITs withouth any reservation criteria for the four years of education he has got, why does he need reservation to get into an IIT in the first place ?? If he is as brilliant as this, then he can very well get in to any college of his choice without any problem and purely based on merit.. I dont understand this perspective…

  33. @Kiran…
    well bro may be dat IITB guy mayn’t have got enough facility for Jee preparation,bt as a support frm reservation he would have entered IIT nd der he had shwn his talent……let me sight another example one of SC IITian (my frnd) is de 1st matriculate frm his village,1st intermediate nd he entered IIT coz of reservation bcoz he couldn’t afford for high priced coaching….bt here in IIT he maintains a respected score….far better den many OP students….yess i would say reservation GIVES BOOST 2 these talents……..nd den they mayn’t(sudn’t) use reservation for der nxt generation……its der duty……
    bt for present reservation sud be there……………..
    bt as i said earlier sumday it would be lifted for sure…..
    so till dat day …some had to bear it…….for de betterment others….

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